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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful forum!!<br />I am back again with further questions</p><p>To summarize:<br />-I have signed a 9 year lease which started Sep 2011 with two youngsters, aged 25, who claimed they were student. I believe one or both are studying law<br />-Ran into several issues with them<br />-Gave a termination notice last month that they need to vacate in 6 months, on or before October 31st,&#160; as I need apartment for my own use now<br />-they also have right to leave with one month notice<br />-Once of the occupants, the girl seems to have disappeared and doesn&#039;t seem to be living in the rented apartment anymore<br />- A stranger seems to live that other occupant in teh apartment now.Not sure if ne of teh occupants have sub-let it.</p><p>Now, <br /># they paid May rent 15 days late<br /># They have not paid provisional charges for the months of May yet.<br />I happen to be teh syndic of this three apartment building and we are on negative balance with this syndic account<br /># They used the same ploy of not paying provisional charges for couple of months once they entered the apartment.</p><p>I have already sent a registered letter last Saturday that they should pay provisional charges before month-end and should pay rent and charges in time henceforth. Else, I told them I will open a standard requette with Judge de paix.</p><p>I am worried they use all resources water, heating, common electricity etc but they don&#039;t want to pay or delay in paying, once I gave termination notice</p><p>(1) What should I do if they don&#039;t pay rent ?<br />(2) what should I do if they don&#039;t pay provisional charges<br />(3) How long should I wait before taking action?<br />(4) There is NO money in syndic account and we can&#039;t pay. Will it become illegal if we, say shut down water or stop electricity to common area etc?<br />(5) I am a first time landlord and new to all these stuff. In case of filing a &quot;standard requette&quot; with juge de paix, what is better?-Do it myself or do it through a lawyer?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 16:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t want to be a syndic. Can give it to somebody if I foind a cheaper, affordable syndic.</p><p>Didn&#039;t way to pay 250 euro per month for three paartments, just to do the accounting.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Is the rent paid by their parents? How old are they?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I belive each parent pays 4000 euro to each kid I suppose.<br />When they were negotiating the contract, I saw the girl dad asking both what do they plan for dealing with common charges. I saw the boy calling his mom, get her approval, confirmed he will take care of that. I assume his mother agreed to pay this part.</p><p>Both of them have a small fancy car each. Rent and provisional charges were not a problem so far yet.Still worried when they would settle the annual adjustment.</p><p>Both are 25 years old.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Could somebody give some (IPI certified) reference Syndics</p></div></blockquote></div><p>SNP proposes lots of training for people wanting to become syndics.</p><p>Being Syndic is not a job that you do without having the right skills, level of education, experience etc...</p><p>To become Syndic, you will need:<br />- an excellent technical background (civil engineering)<br />- an excellent knowledge of the Belgian laws<br />- financial skills<br />etc...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>We will charged 825 euro as rent(includes garage) and 85 euro as provisional charges.(not fixed). Somebody can what should be the right rent for the description?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Yes, it is!</p><p>But I am extremely surprised that &quot;students&quot; have taken such an apartment in WSP.</p><p>For the apartment I am renting out in WSP, I have never had Belgian tenants. Belgian candidates who can spend more than 800€/month, become owners (of course not in WSP).</p><p>Also no &quot;students&quot; or unemployed people ...</p><p>My tenants have always been wealthy expats working for European HQ of American (or other) companies (like Bank of New York Mellon, Cisco, Toyota etc...)</p><p>Never Belgian students! They rent &quot;kots&quot;. Unemployed people in WSP can apply to get a social home.</p><p>Is the rent paid by their parents? How old are they?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If the electricity is on a separate counter (teller? meter?) at tenant cost, they are quite stupid to put an electric heater!!!</p><p>An direct electric heater cost the double than a normal heater with gaz or mazout!!! And if they heated the garage with an electric heater, they must be out of their mind!!!</p><p>As Panchito says, it&#039;s impossible to find a syndic for such a small building. Even at 150€/month, it is a lot of work and responsibilité for small pay...</p><p>And the problem would not be the syndic, but the way the two younsters use the appartment and poison your life.</p><br /><p>I wish you can get an arrangement at the conciliation. Good luck to you.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Could somebody give some (IPI certified) reference Syndics in WSP who charge 15 euro per month per apartment?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Generally speaking, it is extremely difficult to find a professional Syndic (IPI certified) who accepts to take a &quot;copropriété&quot; made of less than 20 apartments.</p><p>Small &quot;copropriétés&quot; are not enough profitable for professional Syndics...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>As soon there are different owners, you are in a forced &quot;copropriété&quot;.<br />By law, each &quot;copropriété&quot; needs to have an &quot;acte de base&quot;, a ROI (Règlement d&#039;ordre intérieur), a Syndic and a registration number at the BCE.<br />When you have bought, your notaire had the obligation to provide to you the official &quot;acte de base&quot; ; the &quot;reglement d&#039;ordre intérieur&quot;, the PV (minutes) of the 3 last Annual General Assemblies. </p><p>Did you get those extremely important documents?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Panchito,</p><p>The whole building doesn&#039;t belong to a single owner. 81% to a single owner and with two apartments and&#160; 19% to another one whoew is on the attic.</p><p>There is an official act de base done way back in 70s, much to the advantage of a single family I suppose.</p><p>Looks like they tried to build a &quot;maison de maitre&quot; and three years later decided to split it, perhaps between siblings?</p><p>Could somebody give some (IPI certified) reference Syndics in WSP who charge 15 euro per month per apartment?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>By the way I am renting out a 2 bedrooms apartment in the center of WSP (60 sqm + a terrace of 10 sqm).<br />This is in a 5 stars Residence (copropriété) perfectly managed by a professional Syndic (IPI certified).<br />The rent is 900€/month + a provision for service charges of 150€/month (electricity, TV, Internet, not included).<br />Annual adjustement bill based on the real consumptions (cold-warm water + warming).<br />A 20 sqm garage is available on top for 160€/month.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>And from last year experience, I have total cost for heating to ISTA and they divided it simply based on quotite part returned back with report per apartment/caloriment.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Of course, the whole building belongs to a single owner; so you are not in a &quot;copropriété&quot; having an official &quot;acte de base&quot;.<br />By the way, did you apply to get an official permit to divide your &quot;Maison de Maître&quot; into separate apartments?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Took ovr a professional syndic, as they were charging 250 euro per month</p></div></blockquote></div><p>In WSP, common Syndics (IPI certified) ask 15€/month per apartment.<br />If you rent out with a PIM contract, you can charge back all your Syndic costs to the tenants.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>25% (or more) as fixed costs based on the &quot;quotités&quot;.<br />65% (or less) as variable costs based on the private consumptions (ista meters).</p></div></blockquote></div><br /><p>Took ovr a professional syndic, as they were charging 250 euro per month <br />shared between three apartments, just to do the accounting. In a way, monthly syndic cost alone was 83 euro. So, we got of teh rid of teh sysndic.</p><p># And from last year experience, I have total cost for heating to ISTA and they divided it simply based on quotite part returned back with report per apartment/caloriment.</p><p>Didn&#039;t know the practice on 25%/65%. Will enforce this with ISTA coming year.</p><p>With respect to rent, it is a 82 m2 apartment, two bedrooms, one small store room, one balcony, a living plus a cellar of 7 m2 and a garage of 20 m2 witha private access o garage through backgarden from street. In effect, close to 110 m2 altogether. </p><p>This 82m2 surface area also includes staircase to firstfloor and II floor.<br />In efefct living area in the rented apartment could be 72 m2 plus a cellar(7sqm) and a garage.</p><p>We will charged 825 euro as rent(includes garage) and 85 euro as provisional charges.(not fixed). Somebody can what should be the right rent for the description?</p><br /><p>-private consumption of electricity within the apartment is occupier&#039;s cost<br />-private consumption of gas within apartment is on occupier<br />-central heating shared on quotite part but will start enforcing 25%/65%<br />-Water simply based on quotite part for thirty years , as it was single family house, we need to have add another three passage water meters and try to compute consumption from say, 5 water meters. Strangely, WE have one mter from Hydobru and two passage meters split across three apartment that actual consumption per apartment can&#039;t be done now. <br /> .<br />The tenants stayed here since September. Issue started slowly after three months of arrival. </p><p>As suggested, will NOT go to police. Will see what they offer in conciliation.<br />I don&#039;t want indemnity. They sooner they leave, the better for me.<br />And I get back my notice.</p><p>I have learnt a lesson.</p><p># No more renting of garage as we share common space &amp; back garden between two garages</p><p># Only one year fixed, See how they behave. have something to hold.</p><p># Put all those conditions which may affect character of the building into the contract <img src="https://forum.pim.be/plugins/ezbbc/style/smilies/smile.png" alt="smile" /> (Nots sure if this is the right thing)&#160; </p><p>They said they moved froma studio. They have a dog and load of things which would need a bug house. Not sure how they has all these stuff and a personal&#160; gym with at least 4 equipments, (one heavy equipment installed close to PVC sanitary pipe from WC by the tenant&#160; <img src="https://forum.pim.be/plugins/ezbbc/style/smilies/sad.png" alt="sad" /> ,&#160; &#160;big wooden garden table plus chairs, PingPong table, Table FootBall, Two bicycles, Barbeque etc. I still may need to live with this if they want to bring this all out to back-garden for summer.</p><p>Well said Grmphh.. And thanks a lot Panchito!!!!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Is it correct WSP?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Well if this is true, you have been had!!</p><p>I do hope for your that they don&#039;t maintain their drinks cool by putting the bottles in the lavabo and leaving the taps open all days long...</p><p>May we know the amount of the rent and the fixed monthly amount to cover all the service charges?</p><p>For how many sqm?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>As for electricity, if my memory is correct, it is included in a forfait, as they don&#039;t have a separate teller.</p><p>Is it correct WSP?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p># With respect to heating, They knew how to exploit the system and how to make ISTA to read a 0 consumption on calrorimetrs by not turning on heaters</p></div></blockquote></div><p>In standard &quot;copropriétés&quot; the &quot;acte de base&quot; always forseen that all the costs related to the warming installation (electricity, maintenance of the furnace, reparations, issues fixing etc,...) are distributed as following:</p><p>25% (or more) as fixed costs based on the &quot;quotités&quot;.<br />65% (or less) as variable costs based on the private consumptions (ista meters). </p><p>This is to avoid that occupants that would never turn on their radiators, would not participate to the costs.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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