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			<description><![CDATA[<p>My idea about the start of the contract is that the first contract is valid and thse data should be used for the indexation of the rent..</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2017 07:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Libra a écrit&#160;:</cite><blockquote><div><p> No need for bills.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Not so sure...</p><p>If you are sued by the evicted tenant, how do you will prove the total amount of money you have spent for those renovation works?</p><p>In this case, 3 years of rent = 3 * 799,91 * 12 = 28.796,76 €</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2017 07:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>panchito a écrit&#160;:</cite><blockquote><div><p>- if you perform renovation works (the official bills of those renovation works must be higher than 2 years of rent)</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Wrong. No need for bills. On peut faire soi-même une estimation des coûts. Par ailleurs, si je ne me trompe pas et si c&#039;est des travaux dans un seul appartement, c&#039;est trois années de loyer et fin du bail à une échéance triennale.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2017 04:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>rshanmug a écrit&#160;:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Yes, it is still the same tenant/same apartment. Since first contract was signed for one year for trial, I assumed we need to make a new contract as the first one expired.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>You are fully wrong! </p><p>In order to protect the Tenant&#039;s rights, if you don&#039;t break the contract 3 months (at least) before the end of the given trial period (1 year), the contract is automatically transformed into the standard Belgian main residence contract (9 years).&#160; </p><p>So now you are legally obliged to keep your tenant until 2021.</p><p>You can only evict her<br />- by paying to her 18 months of rent<br />- if you need the apartment for a member (first degree) of your family. Your tenant can sue you, if the member of your family doesn&#039;t have his/her main residence there for 2 years at least <br />- if you perform renovation works (the official bills of those renovation works must be higher than 2 years of rent)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>rshanmug a écrit&#160;:</cite><blockquote><div><p>How does one renew a rental contract?&#160; Just change/extend the date on original contract?</p><p>...</p><p>My options now are, if I want the tenant to leave:<br />A) send a registered termination note with 3 months notice before expiry of nine year lease<br />B) send a registered termination note with 6 months notice if we need the apartment for our family or for repairs, right?</p><p>In&#160; the same way, can she walk out without giving any notice ?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Just register the first contract.</p><p>A is right<br />B is right but there are conditions</p><p>Once the contract is registered, she must send a registered termination note with 3 months notice</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>grmff a écrit&#160;:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I did not realize the contracts you mentionned where all for the same tennant and same appartment...</p><p>In this case, you are of course outlaw...</p><p>You can renew a short term contract of résidence principale only ONCE! And contract condition can not be changed...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Yes, it is still the same tenant/same apartment. Since first contract was signed for one year for trial, I assumed we need to make a new contract as the first one expired.</p><p>For renewal,&#160; no contract conditions were changed. we simply printed a new template, revised the date, added any indexed rent for that year :<br />Didn&#039;t&#160; &#160;putting the revised indexed rent is a change of condition.<br />WE always kept the index reference to the first contract.</p><p>How does one renew a rental contract?&#160; Just change/extend the date on original contract?<br />Myself and my tenant, we both assume we have a nine year contract now,&#160; started in 2012 and finishing in 2021?</p><p>Our first contract signed in 2012, although was limited to one year, is still valid and right?<br />My options now are, if I want the tenant to leave:<br />A) send a registered termination note with 3 months notice before expiry of nine year lease<br />B) send a registered termination note with 6 months notice if we need the apartment for our family or for repairs, right?</p><p>In&#160; the same way, can she walk out without giving any notice ?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I did not realize the contracts you mentionned where all for the same tennant and same appartment...</p><p>In this case, you are of course outlaw...</p><p>You can renew a short term contract of résidence principale only ONCE! And contract condition can not be changed...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>grmff a écrit&#160;:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Formule légale utilisée<br />Nouveau loyer (octobre 2017) = Loyer de base (septembre 2012) * IS [2004] septembre 2017 / IS [2004] août 2012<br />Ce qui donne en chiffres:<br />799,91EUR = 750,00 EUR * 127,42/ 119,47&#160; &#160; &#160;ce nouveau loyer est valable à partir de octobre 2017</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Si je ne me trompe pas, l&#039;indice de départ est celui du mois qui précède celui durant lequel le bail a été conclu et donc dans le cas présent août 2012.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2017 07:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that it is not legal to sign 4 consecutive contracts with the same tenant! And moreover with different rent amounts!</p><p>IF it is a main residence contract!</p><p>So in your case, only the first contract is legally valid and shall be indexed.</p><p>You need to know:<br />1/ When the contract has been signed: 8th of September 2012<br />2/ When the contract has started: 1st of October 2012</p><p>Then 799,91EUR&#160; is the new legal rent as of October 2017</p><p>I always put a print out of the official rent calculator published by the Belgian authorities</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2017 06:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I gave exacty these figures you calculated above, stating my tenant should pay € 799.81 effective October.&#160; &#160;Her response is as follows: <img src="https://forum.pim.be/plugins/ezbbc/style/smilies/sad.png" alt="sad" /></p><p>The confusion here is, I am still calculating indexation,&#160; based on base rent and index from very first contract sign date whereas, looks like she took the 4th final renewed contract to &quot;service des locataires de Bruxelles&quot; and claims she will only pay indexation from May 2018 :-/</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Bonjour, <br />Normalement la date de l&#039;indexation est à partir du mois de Mai. Date à laquelle on a signer le bail de 9ans. Vérifier bien votre contrat. Donc c&#039;est à partir du mois de Mai que je commence à payer 799,91. Merci pour votre compréhension. Bonne soirée.</p><p>L&#039;indexation s&#039;applique la date suivant le bail de 9ans. Donc 1 juin 2015. S&#039;il vous plait le service des locataires de Bruxelles savent tout ça. Je vous montrerai le bail. Je ne vais pas vous dire que vous avez raison. Mais je me fie à la loi belge. Soyons courtois. Je sais que je dois payer mon loyer.Mais je sais aussi ce que la loi belge des locataires . Je peux vous montrer dès que possible le bail. En entendant merci d&#039;avance pour votre patience.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I will push her that she needs to pay from October 2017. Thanks for your help&#160; Grmf! <img src="https://forum.pim.be/plugins/ezbbc/style/smilies/smile.png" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>You index the rent contract by contrat.</p><p>So, the data for the first contract are as follow:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Loyer fixé à la signature du contrat de bail : 750&#160; <br />Année et mois de la signature du contrat : 2012 09<br />Année et mois d&#039;entrée en vigueur du contrat : 2012 10<br />Année pour laquelle l&#039;indexation est demandée : 2017</p><p>Formule légale utilisée<br />Nouveau loyer (octobre 2017) = Loyer de base (septembre 2012) * IS [2004] septembre 2017 / IS [2004] août 2012<br />Ce qui donne en chiffres:<br />799,91EUR = 750,00 EUR * 127,42/ 119,47&#160; &#160; &#160;ce nouveau loyer est valable à partir de octobre 2017</p></div></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong><span class="bbu">1) How to calculate indexation?</span></strong><br />Very easy: use the <a href="https://www.pim.be/calculs-automatiques/indexation-des-loyers" rel="nofollow">calculator of PIM</a>! Or any <a href="http://economie.fgov.be/fr/statistiques/chiffres/economie/prix_consommation/calculateur_loyer/" rel="nofollow">other</a>...</p><p><strong><em>2) When can I ask for it ?</em></strong><br />Any time. But when you ask for it, the request is valid only 3 months backward. The normal time is on anniversary.</p><p><strong><em>3) What indexed rent should I ask for?</em></strong><br />I don&#039;t get your question. You put the valid numbers and dates in the calculator, ask join the result to the letter you send to your tennent.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello Folks,</p><p>I am a landlord; I have renewed&#160; rental contract 4 times, with my tenant X, in Brussels capital region,&#160; as follows:<br />This has become a&#160; 9 year contract&#160; VALID UNTIL 2021, and we have been using PIMS contract templates in all these four renewals.</p><p>I use <a href="http://statbel.fgov.be/en/statistics/figures/economy/consumer_price_index/rent_calculator/" rel="nofollow">http://statbel.fgov.be/en/statistics/fi … alculator/</a> to calculate current index but I am lost now&#160; on what should be my base rent and what is the indexation value, should it based on the very first contract on 2012 or the last contract signed in 2015. <img src="https://forum.pim.be/plugins/ezbbc/style/smilies/sad.png" alt="sad" /></p><p> <span class="postimg"><img src="https://forum.pim.be/uploads/871e4d5349c2acaf94f609d3010fed88.png" alt="Contract_Renewal_History_Tenant_X.png" /></span> </p><p>1) How to calculate indexation?<br />2) When can I ask for it ?<br />3) What indexed rent should I ask for?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2017 08:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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