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#1 Re : Locations et baux » Landlord visiting » 13-12-2014 21:47:56
10,5 years
Since how long were you there?
#2 Re : Locations et baux » Landlord visiting » 13-12-2014 21:47:56
If you are leaving on next Monday, that's the end of a 3 months notice.
I suppose that during this time your landlord was able to find a new tenant and to fulfill the whishes this new tenant had before to sign the contract?
No, he's done nothing. We've taken photos for him to advertise and he has been round 3 times to see what needs to be done. It all needs redecorating and new carpets anyway so why he needs to gone round again is a mystery. He usually tells us a couple of hours before he arrives.
#3 Re : Locations et baux » Electrabel etc » 13-12-2014 21:34:04
D1791 a écrit : Do you have your own copy of the entrance report (Etat des lieux d'entrée) ?
If the rental contract has been registered, there should be a copy of this entrance report attached. It should be possible to ask the administration for a copy of it.Last but not least, if there is no entrance report, the rule is simple : the state in which you leave the appartment is supposed to be the same as the state you entered...
Too bad for the landlord.The rental report was not registered.
Presumably as long as the place is clean he can't charge for cleaning as he can't proof how clean it was in the first place - if that makes sense!
#4 Re : Locations et baux » Landlord visiting » 13-12-2014 21:47:56
To improve the apartment we are leaving!!
Citation :it's to take measurements!
To improve the apartment you are renting?
#5 Re : Locations et baux » Landlord visiting » 13-12-2014 21:47:56
This isn't to show people round - it's to take measurements!
The visit of the landlord is a question of negotiation.
3 times a week, for 2 hours is usual.
#6 Locations et baux » Landlord visiting » 13-12-2014 21:47:56
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How much notice does he have to give? He has been round 2 times already this week now wants to come again today and was cross when I said it wasn't a good time. We are leaving on Monday 
#7 Re : Locations et baux » Electrabel etc » 13-12-2014 21:34:04
Do you have your own copy of the entrance report (Etat des lieux d'entrée) ?
If the rental contract has been registered, there should be a copy of this entrance report attached. It should be possible to ask the administration for a copy of it.Last but not least, if there is no entrance report, the rule is simple : the state in which you leave the appartment is supposed to be the same as the state you entered...
Too bad for the landlord.
The rental report was not registered.
#8 Re : Locations et baux » Electrabel etc » 13-12-2014 21:34:04
Is he of goodwill or not? If yes, there can be an agreement. If not, it's not possible.
Anyway, he can not delay the check out for such a reason.
What should be (have been?) the normal exit day?
I asked him to organise the exit report 3 weeks ago. He cannot find the entrance report so he cannot do an exit report now. So now I have told him the day I am leaving. I think he will be here to take the keys but I will call again the companies tomorrow.
#9 Re : Locations et baux » Electrabel etc » 13-12-2014 21:34:04
He cannot find the etat des lieux and so has been delaying the exit. Therefore there will not be an expert there.
Red a écrit : How does it work if my landlord is not present when I depart? My legal advisor told me he cannot continue to delay so I should inform him of the date and if he is not present send keys by registered mail. But I see the electricity needs 2 signatures on the form.
A l'état des lieux de sortie, la position des compteurs peut être relevée par l'expert.
Ou prendre une photo datée.Mentionnez cette position sur le document "transfert énergies", envoyez un exemplaire signé pour votre part à la compagnie et un autre exemplaire à votre bailleur, en l'invitant à le signer et à le renvoyer à la compagnie.
Il ne peut pas donner un mandat (power) à quelqu'un, ce bailleur ?
Il vit à l'étranger ?
#10 Locations et baux » Electrabel etc » 13-12-2014 21:34:04
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How does it work if my landlord is not present when I depart? My legal advisor told me he cannot continue to delay so I should inform him of the date and if he is not present send keys by registered mail. But I see the electricity needs 2 signatures on the form.
#11 Re : Locations et baux » Rent guarantee » 10-12-2014 08:56:22
Thanks for your help with this.
Is there somewhere I can find general info about exit reports? Is it a good idea to get my own expert? How long does he take to produce the report after he has visited and when do I actually hand over keys?
Then, the landlord has a BIG problem...
If you put him to court, he will have to pay...
#12 Re : Locations et baux » Rent guarantee » 10-12-2014 08:56:22
Then, you have to read all radiators at the same time. Otherwise, you can't divide the bill correctly.
Usually, the total is made once a year. Meaning that you don't know the cost before the end of the accounting year+a few months.
Yes, they are read at the same time in June. Money is then refunded to syndicate. By September usually he has worked out the bill. He has done this but apparently landlord says he still cant refund money.
#13 Re : Locations et baux » Rent guarantee » 10-12-2014 08:56:22
I'm not sure what you paid to him, and how he did share the bill between the 3 appartments. It seems strange to me.
The meter is a kind of tube with liquid, evaporating all year long? In this case, it's impossible to "read the meter". If you post a picture of the heater, it'll be easier to understand.
Exactly that: we pay charges on top of our rent for the heating. The radiators are 'read' then the money from 3 apartments is evened out, depending on % of usage. The head of the syndicate supposedly works this out.
#14 Re : Locations et baux » Rent guarantee » 10-12-2014 08:56:22
Heating is electric?
No gas - boiler shared by 3 apartments. We stopped using it as he installed an electric waster heater which pushed up our bills considerably, so had to cut down on the gas bill.
#15 Re : Locations et baux » Rent guarantee » 10-12-2014 08:56:22
As for the electricity, do you pay it to the land lord, or to an electricity company?
Which region (Brussels, Flanders or Wallonia) do you live in?
Directly to the landlord, then the radiators are 'read' . Incidentally we have never seen the paperwork as he has always been vague about producing it, but only when asked he admitted he owed us. As we didn't use the heating last year that's not surprising!
We're in Brussrls.
#16 Re : Locations et baux » Rent guarantee » 10-12-2014 08:56:22
I hope you did not destroy anything. It was just an example. But it's the idea: you're still responsible.
Will the landlord put you to court if you don't pay what youought him? No idea. It's costly and an assle to do. But, in the end, you will have to pay all expenses: huissier, lawyer, translation of the judgement, internationnal huissier, etc.
Beware, it's really expensive and some landlord can go quite far on "the principle"
Did you read this story of this landlord, really pissed off by his tenant who left after 5 years, paid nothing, had no money (insolvable) ? When the landlord realized his was not the first, he braught the case to justice. Penal justice.
Ok thanks. I just think he's making life difficult as we have been such good tenants - allowing him to drop in with only a couple of hours notice being a good example.
#17 Re : Locations et baux » Rent guarantee » 10-12-2014 08:56:22
Probably you don't have a standard guarantee, but a "caution bancaire". It means you did not put the money on an account, but paid fora kind of insurance. And did not renew the insurance...
In fact, it's probably against your contract. It's your fault if there is no more warranty.
In fact, the landlord can not expect anything from the bank. The contract with the bank is over, and the bank is out of the picture. But it doesn't mean that you have no more responsibility.
If you destroy your appartment, of course you are still responsible of your appartment. So, it's normal to make the "check out", eventually with an expert if the contract say so.
In fact, the bank is right to say the land lord can not ask them anything. But they are very wrong when they say the landlord can not charge you anything!!!
Ok thanks. We haven't destroyed anything. The landlord has already been round twice and said he doesn't expect there to be any major charges. Will he take us to court after we have left the country? And also he had held on to our electricity overpayment since July - how do we get that back?
#18 Locations et baux » Rent guarantee » 10-12-2014 08:56:22
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We took out a rent guarantee with the bank 10,5 years ago. When I checked at the bank they said this no longer existed as it expired after 9 years and it was not renewed. They also told me therefore that my landlord can charge us nothing when we leave the apartment. Is this correct? If so, how do we tell the landlord that - who is still insisting on finding an expert to do an exit report?
#19 Re : Locations et baux » Qui peut m'aider? » 27-11-2014 15:13:31
Ok well my landlord wants the keys before 3 months so I'm thinking I should only pay for the time I have the keys...
#20 Re : Locations et baux » Qui peut m'aider? » 27-11-2014 15:13:31
Ok thanks. So notice is supposed to go from 1st of the month but our rent is due on 20th. If we are out by 20th do we still pay a proportion of the rent?
Have always had a good relationship with the landlord. He says he is thinking of getting an exit report done but am hoping he will change his mind as we have taken excellent care of the place.
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