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#61 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

WSP

Ok,

I am getting conflicting infrmation from every side with respect to whether to send both "préavis" & "Standard Requête".

Judge de Paix Feedback:
I checked at Judge de paix office in WSP and they said that I can file
"préavis" & follow it with a  "Standard Requête".


Notary Feedback:
Also, my notary said, not experienced with these things, felt, filing a préavis first and following it with "Standard Requête" gives confusing signals. The question he asked  is, what the peace judge can do when you "leave in six months" notice through préavis and try proving something else in  "Standard Requête".

He directed me to a lawyer specializing in lease breakage (that man is unavailable, on vacation)


Office national de locataires
I met a nice gentleman from "office nationale de locataires" who seems to be very specialized in eviction and breaking lease.

He looked at my context and documents.His impression is:

# loud noise only NOT allowed between 10PM and 8 AM. Nothing you can do about it if tenant plays PingPong or Tabel footBall between 8AM and 10PM, including weekends

# You can do nothing about Tenant sets upa Gymnastics centre in the gagarge. He rented it. He will do what he wants.

# You can do nothing about your tenant bring his guests to the garage or his apartment to play as he rented it.

#He said not to file a police complaint as nothing will change

So, the impression I got is, if I get a "heart attack" since tenant plays Ping Pong at 9.30 PM, Judge will not favor me, In a way, I felt probably I don't have a strong case to convince the "Judge de Paix"

He said he there is no need to put "Standard Requête"
and just send préavis.(Thereby, I block the tenant from approaching Judge de Paix )

So, I am confused now.

Anyway, I will put forward  préavis . Not sure if it would make any difference following this with a "Standard Requête".


(1) Any thoughts folks, should I follow préavis with a "Standard Requête"? -citing my increased hypertension (200+ else normal) specifically due to tenant nuisance, based on couple of medical certificates from my home doctor who confirmed "I never had hypertension in last 10 years but it shot in last four days due to tenant nuisance"  and Hospital who took me on emergency concluded "HTA liee probablement a un contexte de stress," & "“Suppicion de dissection aortique" for my second admission the same night?

(2) Here is the  préavis I intend to send. Please do correct me if I am wrong

Cher  locataires Ms.X & Mr.Y,

Par la présente, je vous signifie le congé pour occupation personnelle de ma epouse Z le logement que vous occupez.

Le préavis légal de 6 mois commencera le 1/5/2012 et prendra fin le 31/10/2012.

Veuillez noter que vous avez le droit de donner un contre-préavis de un mois à tout moment.

Bien à vous,

(3) What does the follwing citation mean?

Veuillez noter que vous avez le droit de donner un contre-préavis de un mois à tout moment.

#62 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

WSP

....you will need to be whiter than Snow White...

tongue

Thanks for cautioning me. Was not aware of this. I will sort this out.
This is  a wonderufl Forum.

Thanks a lot Panchito & grmff!!!!!!

#63 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

WSP

Hi all,

Regarding my residency status:

# I am not a resident as of today but my family(spouse and three children) are residents. We are all Belgian citizens too.

# They(my family) are currently living in the ground floor and will move to first floor. It is basically asking tenants to move to give place for my family, not me. This will not be a fictious occupation either. My family simply moves up.

# if I need to become resident, I can do so tomorrow. File the "Requet and send termination letter teh day after.

# Becoming a resident is a 5 minutes job for me. It doesn't bring complication with taxes due to mutual tax treaties with the country i am employed. But dual residency  does bring some social security complications,issues with car registration, driving license exchange etc etc..


(1) Do you want me to become resident to send an authentic"Standard Requête" with Judge de Paix?
(2) Is it necessary that I am resident here?  Or..Is it suffice my family occupies it for next two years?
(3) Thanks Grmfff..Do I need to modify following template to reflect personal occupation of my family (and not ME)?

Par la présente, je vous signifie le congé pour occupation personnelle du logement que vous occupez.

#64 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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(7). Any lawyer recommendations who can deal with this? Any idea how much will this cost if I have to bear it myself (if no juridique protection)?

#65 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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Thank you all folks!!! Much appreciated.

# Visited Judge de Paix and collected forms for "Standard Requête" and Reconcilation". Understand "Standard Requête" is recommended.
Got a response from them that I could send termination letter and apply for "Requête" in parallel, which still may take another 3 months

# Do not wish to approach the parents as we simply don't want them as this will be an eternal problem

# Will send a termination letter using following clause this week so that they can receive before this month end.

- à tout moment, en donnant un congé six mois à l’avance, s’il a l’intention d’occuper le bien personnellement et effectivement ou de le faire occuper de la même manière par ses descendants, ses enfants adoptifs, ses ascendants, son conjoint, les descendants, ascendants et enfants adoptifs de celui-ci, ses collatéraux et les collatéraux de son conjoint jusqu’au 3ème degré ;

# I may have "protection juridique" but not sure I would be covered anymore since I become non-resident working outside Belgium. Will still check with my insurance company

(1) Does anybody have a template in French to break rental contract.CONTRAT DE BAIL - RESIDENCE PRINCIPALE (Région de Bruxelles-Capitale)
https://www.pim.be/telechargement/bail_principal_v2009_bruxelles.pdf
Reason for breaking: I just need the apartment back as I need it for my own family and will give 6 calendar months notice

(2) What are the etiquette I need to follow to send a termination  notice.?

(3) Assuming I  send "envoye recommende avec accuse de reception" termination letter to both tenants reaches before 31st of April,  notice starts effective May 1st and October 31st should be there last day to leave, Correct?

(4) What if the letter doesn't reach/not accepted before end of this month?
(a) What if the tenants don't accept the notice at all?
(b) what is they accept it next month?  This changes notice period?

(5) Does my wife , married spouse, need to sign the termination letter too? She was not involved in signing the lease contract. It was only me who signed it.

(6) I was a resident here while signing the contract but non-resident now. doers that influence the termination anyway?

#66 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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Dear All,

Things happened so fast over the weekend.

# My tenants didn't want to bring thier parents to a discussion, as they didn't feel it deemed necessary for them

# While I tried setiing up another appointment for end of this months without thir parents, it ended up ina heated discussion. My Blood pressure jumped high for teh first time after thaht an nver came down till date

# On the weekend Saturday at 9 PM, they statredt playing Table football again in first floor, results my kids couldn't sleep in ground floor.. After a couple of SMSes to stop and his response, My Blood Pressure touched the roof and I felt was having  cardiac arrest. Called an ambulance, got hospitalised, they confirmed by elveated pressure , monitored me for cardiac issues,  eventaully dischargedd me middle of night Sunday.
# Had to go back again within 30 minutes teh same night to same hospital and they suspect I am havinga stoke, losing sense with left side of body(arms and legs couldn't felt) and recorded teh following

“Suppicion de dissection aortique"

# Eventually I got discharged Sunday morning with no much havoc with a decsion that I may have to take life long ploodpressure control medication
# When I cambe back home this Table Football continued in thier floor at 10AM Sunday and I couldn't still catch a wink of sleep and didn't have guts to anything anymore

# yesterday I have sent an email saying, hereafter, I am unwilling to meet him as I went sick after the last meetings, hospitalised and not in a position to see them in person anymore

With this he responds the following

Vu votre mauvaise foi, il est préférable de faire appel à un tiers.
Dès demain, nous irons nous informer auprès de la Justice de paix de<my commune> pour intenter une procédure en conciliation.

# I didn't sleep overnight and prepared a 70 page document proving all teh harassments we have been going through recently although we were trying our best to resolve it amicably.

What are my options now?

(1) I have made a letter as the building syndic asking to stop his specifique behavior which changes the characteristics, serenity and tranquillity of this "maison de maitre converted apartments". I am yet to post it but not sure what his reaction wouyld be

(2) I wish to send a 6 months notice  that I need my apartment back for my own family but I don't know if I can withstand hell for another six or will I die dealing with him

(3)Initiate conciliation and arbitration myself  right now or work with him to join for the mediation but I am NOT sure what heis upto. Doeshe wantt o go out or negotaiate previleges to stay back? My motto is  he needs to go out ASAP

(4). I can meet Judge de Paix in 10 minutes with this 70 page doc and a medical report which shows things changed drastically with my health due the  stress I had been going though and they my three children and my unemployed wife may not have me anymore alive due to harassment from the tenants. Although I am nots sure if the judge will be favorable to me and relieve me from this stress not having to wait 6 months

What I do do?
-(1)Go to Judge de Paix myself?
-(2)-File a complaint ith Police if I die, they are responsible?
-(3)Go for reconciliation and mediation myself through mediators at Judge de paix?
-(4)Or simply send a syndic letter stopping all his behavior and wait his reaction?
-(5)-Send a lease termination notice with 6 months that it reaches him before end of this month?

I am clueless. Can somebody help me come out of this hell????

#67 Re : Locations et baux » Broken Boiler-who has to repair it? Tenant or Landlord? » 09-04-2012 20:20:05

WSP

Pannchito my saviour smile

#(1)  Looked into "etat de lieux" there is nothing mentioned in the state of the boiler.Tenants cleverly removed it as I relied on them for translating "etat de lieux" from English to French.

# (2) I just bought the apartment in July and rented in September '11. No idea if any maintenance was done by my previous owner/tenant.  So, I would take it as "No maintenance was done less than 3 months before they moved in."

Nevertheless, I paid for the technician and collected certificate for "maintenance/onderhoud" myself on October 14th 2011, when I addressed gas leak compliant from the tenants (who moved in September 1st '11).So , we do have a certificate from Junkers stating maintenance done on October 14 2011 but it doesn't specify "entertien complete" but simply mentions "maintenance". !!!There are no gas leaks/gas smell!!!

This is the state pf the water heater  in the SDB now:

Concernant le chauffe eau de la salle de bain, il ne fonctionne plus depuis trois jours, il s'éteind tout seul...
Nous devons constamment le rallumer et attendre une heure pour qu'il fonctionne à nouveau. Alors que nous suivons la marche à suivre indiquée par  le technicien, qui était venu pour la fuite de gaz et faire l'entretien de
ce chauffe eau en date du 14 octobre 2011, il nous faut insister pour qu'il se rallume. Pourriez vous nous envoyer une personne qualifiée afin de remédier à ce problème?


[color=#A00000]Looking a the invoice, I also realize the equipment install date is 14/4/1998.
[/couleur]


I am willing to bear the cost  If this problem is due to age.

So what are my options now?


I Call the technician, ask them to for a verdict if the issue is due to age.

[option 1:]Issue not due to age:
-----------------------------------
In the case, fix the problem first, try replacing the boiler at ease at an earliest possible convenience.

(II-a) Who pays for this maintenance if this new problem is NOT due to age? Me or the tenant?

(III-b) Is there a age by which the equipment is declared unfit?

(III-c) will a certificate from technician it is fit to operate more than sufficient to buy me time replacing boiler at ease?

[option 2]:
issue due to age:
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(IIIa) In this case, it may take some time to get the boiler replaced.
Will the tenant ask me compensation or hotel charges until this get fixed?

(IIIb) Is there a deadline by which tenant may ask for compensation if it does n't get fixed? He reported to me today saying he has this problem for three days now.


[option 3]:No repair-Just replace the boiler ASAP
-------------------------------------------------------
Simply Replace the bolier since it dated 1998. Thereby avoid maintenance cost now and further hassles.

(IV) Which of the options would you recommend me? (I also understand I need to check at tenants convenience too, depends if I need to pay any penalty for any delay in getting it fixed soon)

#68 Re : Locations et baux » Broken Boiler-who has to repair it? Tenant or Landlord? » 09-04-2012 20:20:05

WSP

I was too fast to reply hoping it is resolved for now.
I told the tenant it is upto them to repair it for now. I also mentioned I can be involved in case of replacement. I told them they need to call equipment vendor Junkers tehmselves and nota third-party technician. This is the reponse I got:

Il est stipulé dans le bail que nous avons la charge de l'entretien des chauffe-eau, une fois par an. Nous n'avions aucune preuve de l'entretien de l'année précédente notre entrée dans les lieux. Nous vous avons signalé dès la première semaine d'occupation (septembre 2011), une forte odeur de gaz émanant de la salle de bain. Vous nous avez suggéré de laisser la porte de la salle de bain ouverte, après avoir vous même constaté la chose... Après plusieurs plaintes et un mois plus tard, vous acceptiez de contacter un technicien par lequel nous avons appris que le problème était causé par une fuite de gaz, assez importante et que l'entretien de ce chauffe-eau n'avait pas était fait avant notre entrée dans l'appartement. Il en était de votre devoir de propriétaire d'en assumer la charge. Nous ne voyons pas cela comme un geste bénévole ("gesture of benevolence") mais comme un manquement grave à la sécurité de l'immeuble.
Nous prendrons à notre charge l'entretien des chauffes-eau de la cuisine et de la salle de bain chaque année, comme prévu dans le bail et dans la loi.
Cependant, ce n'est pas à nous à prendre en charge les réparations locatives qui ne résultent pas de notre fait. Le chauffe-eau de la salle de bain est défectueux, il faut que vous le fassiez réparer.
Cela est spécifié dans notre contrat de bail, à l'article 9, l'alinéa 1 et 2.
"Le Bailleur prendra à sa charge les grosses réparations à effectuer au bien loué (...)."
"Le Preneur prendra à sa charge les réparations locatives et de menu entretien, ainsi que les travaux incombant au Bailleur, mais résultant de son fait ou d'une personne dont il est responsable."
Il n'est pas question de payer les réparations ou un nouveau chauffe-eau, il incombe au propriétaire de le faire selon le droit belge.
Vu l'état du chauffe-eau, il est urgent, pour le bien de tous (une éventuelle nouvelle fuite de gaz...) , d'appeler un technicien pour le réparer.
Ce n'est pas normal de devoir insister une nouvelle fois pour que vous vous assumiez vos devoirs de propriétaire. Nous perdons énormément de temps, ce qui nous oblige, à l'avenir, si telle chose devait encore se produire à faire appel à un avocat.

So, should I jump to find a solution myself?

They are NOT willing to take the first step even to call the technician themselves. They think it is a "major problem". They are ""locals".
And the mild threatening that "they will go to advocate" is not the first time.
They are law students studying law and I am caught in a nine year trap already.

The gas water heaters are more than 10 years old. I bought this apartment last year and it is possibly true the heater was not maintained by previous owner/tenant at all in the previous 7 years.

I am sure technician from Junkers can fix it but I believe tenants want to escape and take a free ride, blaming equipment is old.Or simply to make me spend . I do not know for sure if the boiler is really broken or the fact that I asked for maintenance certificate they jump back on me to make me spend myself again for the second time within 6 months.

Is it worth calling for repair or simply go for a replacement? Or still insist tenants to call maintenance first and let them give the verdict if it is a "major issue" or not, worth involving landlord for replacement?

#69 Re : Locations et baux » Broken Boiler-who has to repair it? Tenant or Landlord? » 09-04-2012 20:20:05

WSP

Thank you Panchito,

That puts me in peace for the moment.  Will see how it goes.
Much appreciated smile

#70 Locations et baux » Broken Boiler-who has to repair it? Tenant or Landlord? » 09-04-2012 20:20:05

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Réponses : 5

Dear Forum,


# I have rented my apartment in Bruxelles for 9 years lease, unfurnished.

# The contract type is (CONTRAT DE BAIL - RESIDENCE PRINCIPALE (Région de Bruxelles-Capitale)
link:https://www.pim.be/telechargement/bail_principal_v2009_bruxelles.pdf

The signed contract has the following additional clause:

[color=#0000A0]-le locataire doit fournir une preuve/copie du certificate de maintenace pour de l'entretien de la chaudiere une fois per an"[/couleur]

# As soon as the tenants occupied(September 1 2011), they ssupected gas smell and reported to me. I have called a boiler technicien , did a maintenance on October 14 2011, paid for the technician myself, collected certificate of maintenance myself,  and everything was ok for 6 months.

Suddenly, tenant says the following today:

Concernant le chauffe eau de la salle de bain, il ne fonctionne plus depuis trois jours, il s'éteind tout seul... Nous devons constamment le rallumer et attendre une heure pour qu'il fonctionne à nouveau. Alors que nous suivons la marche à suivre indiquée par le technicien, qui était venu pour la fuite de gaz et faire l'entretien de ce chauffe eau en date du 14 octobre 2011, il nous faut insister pour qu'il se rallume. Pourriez vous nous envoyer une personne qualifiée afin de remédier à ce problème?

The question is, after 7 months occupation (and I paying for maintenance in October 2011, if they have a problem with their Gas water boiler, who bears the cost of  repair now? Landlord or tenant?


Thanks

#71 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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-(1)Is there any legal restriction in me renovating & renting the ground floor apartment (the leased apartment is in first floor where we will live for more than 2 years)

-(2)Do I still need to pay indemnity of 18 months rent in case of renting my ground floor apartment while the lease I signed/broke was for first floor apartment?

#72 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

WSP

Thank you all,

Trying the invite the tenants, with their parents this time, hope we can solve this amicably, although, They did not respond to my last two invites to discuss on this. Not very sure if my invite would be respected this time either sad

We checked at the commune and both the tenants are registered in
the leases apartment as this is supposed to be their main residence, as per 9 year contract signed.

One last question, just to be informed of all consequences.

If this becomes unbearable, I am thinking of giving a 6 months notice for them to quit. My family would move from ground floor and occupy first floor once they quit.  We have fungus/humidity issue in ground floor and needs big renovation(reeling glass paper from walls, insulation/re-painiting etc).

I know I cannot rent the first floor apartment for 2 years from the time they quit. Does that restriction also apply to ground floor apartment where we are living now?

So the question now is, Once I give 6 months notice/Once the tenant quits and after our family starts occupying the first floor:-
-Is there any legal restriction in me renovating & renting the ground floor apartment (the leased apartment is in first floor where we will live for more than  2 years)

Thanks a bunch!!

#73 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

WSP

Thank you Panchito,

I checked with our notary and found no  Le Règlement d'Ordre Intérieur
exists. It is dealt with in acte de bas itself, just one point on living together.
Here was the suggestion I got wrt to how to make a new d'Ordre Intérieur

A general body meeting has to approve the new règlement d’ordre intérieur.
This meeting can only accept a new règlement d’ordre intérieur if:
-          More than ½ of all co-owners are present or represented and if they have together more than ½ of quoties
A general body meeting has to approve the new règlement d’ordre intérieur.
This meeting can only accept a new règlement d’ordre intérieur if:
-          More than ½ of all co-owners are present or represented and if they have together more than ½ of quoties
-          More than ¾ of all quoties agree with the new règlement d’ordre intérieur

Going this way is the last resort. I see contract has a clause to enforce regulations of the building. I will try approaching them a few more times to  solve this issue amicably

In the meantime, will also checked if they are residents in teh commune.
Thanks for all your help so far Panchito & Grmff

#74 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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Panchito,

And if you are the Syndic of this building, you must have the 2 most important documents of the "copropriété":
- le règlement d'ordre intérieur

-act de base

We do have "acte de base" which prohibits keeping personal things in the common area. It doesn't go in detail beyond a few points on any internal regulations. It deals more with what proprietors are supposed to do, how to build, how to divide cost etc.(divison of building, distibution of common parts, modification of private parts, determination of common parts, etc etc)

There is is no separate " le règlement d'ordre intérieur" but I believe I have the authority to introduce one as I am the approved syndic as from last general body meeting co-propriters.Can't I?

Dividing the cost per quotie part per apartment is well defined. That has been already included in the contract. Tenants are aware and signed in the contract they have to pay X % towards water, electricity and heating in the absence of meters/counters for any of them.
So, charging them as per quotie part is not an issue.

The biggest question is,
-What if they are not registered with local commune? What shoudl I do in this case?
-In case if they are registered with the local commune, can I, as syndic, introduce  a new ""REGLEMENT D'ORDRE INTERIEUR "?

#75 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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Panchito,

In Belgium, students can only afford what we call a "kot", with dedicated contracts (1 year max)

# It is indeed a main residence contract for nine years. What now? Am I doomed? (contract https://www.pim.be/telechargement/bail_principal_v2009_bruxelles.pdf)

Citation :
## (Q1) Do I have the right to evict them (without paying any penalty from my side) if this becomes unbearable?

You can ask them to leave and use it for your own family, but you have to use it for at least 2 full years. Otherwhise, you will owe them 18 months indemnity.

# What if I evict them and move to first floo?. What if i rent my ground floor?  Do I still need to pay indemnity of 18 months indemnity in this case?

#76 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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Panchito,

Have you checked that they have registered at the commune and declared the rented place as their Main Residence??


I will do this first thing this week. They looked decent Belgian youngsters.
They brought each of their parents to sign the contract. Didn't suspect any foul play.  I am new to this. They have not defaulted on any rental payment or common charges yet.

#77 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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Grmff,


##(Q2) As a syndic of this apartment, can I send out following "REGLEMENT D'ORDRE INTERIEUR "?

Yes you can. But they might not accept it... You can not change the renting conditions during the contract. There is some logic in there.

I Looked at my signed contract which says the following:. So I am not a dding any thing new suddenly just intrudinng them to our "reglement d'interior".

Won't they accept it?

REGLEMENT D'ORDRE INTERIEUR – PARTIES COMMUNES
Le Bailleur communique par la présente convention au Preneur l'existence d'un règlement d'ordre intérieur et du registre des décisions de l'assemblée générale des copropriétaires (à respecter au même titre que les obligations des présentes). Le registre peut être consulté au siège de l'association des copropriétaires. Les modifications du règlement et les futures décisions de l’assemblée générale devront être respectées par le Preneur dès leur notification par le syndic.
Si le bien loué fait partie d'un immeuble non soumis à la législation sur la copropriété forcée des immeubles ou groupes d’immeubles bâtis, le Preneur est tenu de respecter l'éventuel règlement d'ordre intérieur annexé à la présente convention, ou créé et délivré ultérieurement, pour autant que, dans ce dernier cas, il s’applique de la même manière aux occupants ou au sein de catégories d’occupants, et qu’il contienne des obligations ressortissant à celles d’un bon père de famille.
L’obligation du Preneur de jouir des lieux loués en bon père de famille s’applique également aux parties communes ou annexes de l’immeuble dans lequel se trouve le bien loué.
Les animaux domestiques habituels sont autorisés dans le respect de la législation, et pour autant qu'ils ne constituent pas de gêne, nuisance, même sporadique, de quelque nature qu'elle soit.

#78 Re : Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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Panchito,

When I say student, they are in the age group around 25 years, probaly doing bachelors or masters degree? At least one is studying law.
I am new landlord. Assumed them to be couple living together, perhaps married.The contract was signed by both of them.

The contract I have given to them is a standard 9 year contract picked up from the PIM web site “contrat de bail de résidence principale pour un immeuble sis dans la Région de Bruxelles-Capitale


” <https://www.pim.be/telechargement/bail_principal_v2009_bruxelles.pdf> :

This 9 year Contract expires in 2020, registered with fiscal authrities within two months of signing the contract, along with "etat de lieux" done by myself and tenants.

#79 Locations et baux » New tenant issues-What the landlord/syndic can do? » 30-05-2012 17:40:27

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(Please forgive me in writing this in English; My french is at very beginner level)

I am a new landlord plus syndic of a "maison de maitre" converted to three apartments.
I own ~80% of the building.

I live in the ground floor. Unknowingly, I leased my first floor apartment for 9 years last July 2011 to two students.
I assumed they were couple or married. These couple?? occupied this apartment since September 2011.

After 3 or months, problems started from them. Although they pay rent in time,
they are treating this "single family/maison de maitre" as their own.

# They do not respect other tenants or adjacent neighbors in the street
# They converted garage into a gymnastic centre with bunch of gym equipments setup.They use electrical heating and music doing gym in the garage. (we need to pass through their garage to goto our garage or backgarden)
# They also have table football and table tennis setup in one of the bedrooms.
# They play indoor football or ping pong even after 10PM with their visitor friends. WE told them children cannot sleep but they do not stop playing indoor games after 10 PM.
# They do conduct party every weekend with friends. Sometimes They make loud noise after 10 PM.(Building from 70s and not sound-proof)
# They moved out barbeque to the common backgarden and left it there for more than a week now.
# I had to call them at atleast twice to remove their car from the common area as my car couldn't enter or leave
# I am worried when they will bring out thier garden tabel/chair and leave it in common area.
# They also invite friends who come to play table tennis pr football with them either in the common backgarden or in their garage or in one of their bedrooms.
# They flush out at least bathtubs every day since they know they have to pay for water based on quotite part.




## (Q1) Do I have the right to evict them (without paying any penalty from my side) if this becomes unbearable?
(I have a valid reason as my 3 children need more space so we can always sent a six months notice requesting them to quit as we need it for our children, )
The template I used for signing the contract was The contract templates were taken from PIM and the form is “contrat de bail de résidence principale pour un immeuble sis dans la Région de Bruxelles-Capitale” <https://www.pim.be/telechargement/bail_principal_v2009_bruxelles.pdf> :
My contract say:
"- à tout moment, en donnant un congé six mois à l’avance, s’il a l’intention d’occuper le bien personnellement et effectivement ou de le faire occuper de la même manière par ses descendants, ses enfants adoptifs, ses ascendants, son conjoint, les descendants,"

##(Q2) As a syndic of this apartment, can I send out following "REGLEMENT D'ORDRE INTERIEUR "?
    (a) Tenants & inmates need to respect other tenants/neighbors
    (b) Tenants & inmates need to respect the apartment
    (c) Keep the front door to street locked after 8 PM
    (d) Keep the garage door and access to garage door locked all the time
    (e) Except for loading/unloading, cars should not be parked in access-road/approach to our garage or in front of the garage
    (f) Do not play any indoor games after 8 PM
    (g) Do not make loud noise/music/sound after 8 PM
    (h) Do not use high heels shoes in the upper floors
    (i) Using fire crackers are not allowed anywhere in the building premises
    (j) Setting up barbeque are not allowed anywhere in the building premises
    (h) Electrical heater should not be used anywhere in the building premises.
    (i) No visitor or guest should be allowed access to garage, back garden or garage access area
    (j) No visitors or guests should be allowed to play any indoor or outdoor sports or games in the building premises
    (k) Apartment premises, inside or outside, should not be used as a party venue or weekend meeting center???
    (l) If inmates cannot help with cutting/pruning garden fence, we would hire external party to cut fence and add it common garden expenses.
    (m) No personal items should be left in the common access areas, in front of garage, Access to garage, at the road giving access to garage. This includes barbeque, garden chair, table foot ball, tennis table etc..
·     (n) Garage could be used for organized storage of acceptable material or as a garage. Garage should not be used as a gymnastics or sports center


##(Q3) As my 8 year old children play with neighbor's children in their garden or the neighbors children play with our children in our garden, will point (i) and (j) apply to our children too???
##(Q4) We do have a small shoe rack and buggy in the common area but without hindering anybody's passage. Should we remove if point (m) need to gets applied?

#80 Re : Copropriétés forcées » Comment partager le coût de l'eau? (How to share water cost? ) » 01-03-2012 12:52:01

WSP
Saxo a écrit :

WSP a écrit : So, private meter is the only way even if it involves re-plumbing/re-haluing completely ???

Pas de panique.

Vous pouvez aussi installer des compteurs de passage.

Merci Monsieur!!!
Nous allons essayer d'installer des compteurs d'eau pour le passage

Yes,  it was orginally a single home divided into small apartments?
(Maison de rapport)? sad

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